Those specs are a bit unrealistic

Why the Nintendo “Fusion” is probably fake

504px-NintendoHave you seen the supposed list of specs for Nintendo’s supposed upcoming consoles, codenamed “Fusion”? If not, let me link you to them. Finished reading? Good, because now we’re going into detail about why the Fusion is most likely fake.

Now, let’s be real here: Nintendo is probably working on some sort of successor to both the 3DS and Wii U and it may very well be codenamed “Fusion”. I don’t want to deny that. What I do think is fake are those specific spec listings for both the Fusion DS (portable) and Fusion Terminal (set-top console) and I’ll do my best to explain it all in non-technical words.

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Exhibit I: Fusion DS
I’m not sure about you but when I read the spec listing for the Fusion DS, I immediately thought of a high-end smartphone. High-end CPU? Check. Vibration motors integrated? Check. Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, 3G and NFC? Check. Most everything else on the list is pretty standard fare in the DS lineup so there’s nothing too unusual there. But what’s odd about it is that the specs put this out to be so smartphone-like, and given Nintendo’s stance on smartphones it just seems really odd they’d consider something that’s so much like what they don’t want to get involved in.

But for sake of argument, we’ll say that they’re changing their stance on smartphones. What about the rest of the specs? The first major thing I see is the GPU said to be used. The Adreno GPU is not made or owned by AMD but rather by Qualcomm for use in their Snapdragon CPU; it is proprietary to them and they do not license it out to other companies. In addition, while AMD will be selling ARM chips later this year, they are for server use and I’d wager that they don’t have anything extremely powerful in them as far as GPUs go.

Then there’s that SD card slot. The listing claims it has an “SDHC ‘Holographic Enhanced’ Card Slot up to 128 Gigabyte Limit” and yet this is completely wrong on several levels. The largest SDHC card that can be made is a 32GB card – a far cry from a supposed 128GB limit. There is another version of the SD card standard called SDXC that supports cards of up to 2TB in size which is far greater than the limits of SDHC. And then there’s that thing about it being “Holographic Enhanced.” Go try and look that up on Google and you’ll just find these supposed spec listings all over again. The only way I’ve seen for storing data on a holographic medium is through the Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD) which is much larger than any SD card. So what is it? A holographic sticker reader to make sure your SD card is genuine? Neat, but useless.

Those listings also say the Fusion DS comes with a fingerprint reader that I infer is supposed to work like Apple’s Touch ID on the iPhone 5s. Let me ask, what use does a security device like that have on a device where its sole purpose in life is to play games? I might could see a reader being used as another game input method but I just don’t see any point to having that level of security in a game machine. What would be nice to have in the next generation DS is Bluetooth 4.0 LE. Given that LE stands for Low Energy, it would be very nice to have the ability to play over Bluetooth when your friend is nearby and be able to save on battery consumption.

Exhibit II: Fusion Terminal
Like the Fusion DS, this one also feels pretty unrealistic but for several other reasons. Take for example the 3DS cartridge slot supposedly present. While the thing claims to have an eight-core IBM POWER CPU in it, real-time emulation of a completely different hardware platform is very resource intensive. It’s probably one of the same reasons why Windows RT doesn’t run x86 desktop apps; to emulate a completely different platform is very intensive and you won’t get great performance out of emulation. It can be done if the PC running the emulator is powerful enough and the system being emulated is old enough but this has to be a great difference. For example, PCSX2, a popular PlayStation 2 emulator has been around for several years but only now are we really able to emulate it properly since we have regular desktop PCs that are many times more powerful than the PlayStation 2. Again, I’m not saying it can’t be done, it’s just very intensive and inefficient.

The Holographic Versatile Disc support in the Fusion Terminal is also questionable. Sure, Nintendo is on the board for the HVD development forum but have you ever seen one in person? HVDs are one of those things that are still very much an experimental product which isn’t ready for the average consumer. Besides, what would be the point? I have yet to see a game that maxes out a Blu-Ray disc and those come in 25, 50 and 100GB sizes which is plenty of space for the time being. No need to have a 6TB optical disc when less than a quarter of that space will be used.

Exhibit III: Nintendo’s Target Market
$300 for a Wii U might sound like a lot but when compared to the much more powerful PlayStation 4 and the Xbox One, you can see why there’s a difference. The Wii U is not as powerful because let’s face it, do you really need 8GB of DDR4 and an eight-core CPU to play Mario Party? This has been one of Nintendo’s strengths that they’re able to put out a decent console at a relatively affordable price. With both Fusion systems, that concept goes completely out of the window.

In the case of the Fusion DS, all that fancy glass, magnetic covers and overall power puts this in the realm of high-end smartphones like the iPhone 5s and an unlocked 16GB 5s runs $649 which is far more expensive than the lowly $170 of a 3DS. Let’s also not forget about the 3G modem in the Fusion DS which is going to add a recurring charge to the console should it be activated with a carrier. For a 12-year-old who wants to work his or her way to getting a 3DS, $170 is an expensive but doable goal; I’ve saved up that much when I was that young. Making something like the Fusion DS which would have to be at a $649 price point becomes nearly impossible for a 12-year-old to buy on their own. It may even be a strain on the parents of said 12-year-old.

Likewise, the Fusion Terminal would also skyrocket to a high price. Having two CPUs and a special GPU in one system would certainly boost the price along with the 300GB of flash storage the discless version claims to have. This is without getting into the holographic disc drive which, given that it’s still experimental, would greatly increase the price to something I don’t even want to think about.

There are still a few good ideas in these spec listings I’d like to see in future generation consoles however. There’s the Bluetooth 4.0 LE idea in the Fusion DS and I quite like the idea of charging my controllers wirelessly simply by placing them atop my console. But you can’t believe everything you hear and unless Nintendo really does unveil all this stuff, I’m going to keep calling it a myth, a fake, a rumor. It’s just too unrealistic to think that this is real.

  • Aces-In The-Palm

    HVD could be a smart move to discourage piracy, but agree, as fake as they come.

  • mac

    You are totally wrong

    • Sean Ellis

      Care to explain why?

      • He’s a troll. He can’t tell you why, because he has no idea.

        • Jamar Moore

          You know he’s right, dude. You DON’T need 2000p graphics to play Mario, or even 3rd party titles for that matter. And if it DID, the price WOULD skyrocket.

          • Fluffy

            Considering Nintendo has been basically printing money from the sales of their ds (original to present 3ds) and the Wii. They could easily sell this system at a cheaper price than that of the Xbox One and PS4 and still end up with a profit. Most people now seem to forget that Nintendo is the only game company that can take what they had and change very little and people buy it up like its extremely amazing. Granted the Wii U hasn’t utilized its gamepad at all the main difference in the ds’s and 3ds is the addition of 3d and a gamepad joystick. But my point is nintendo hasn’t really revolutionized the way gamers play since the Wii. I dont honestly care if this is fake or real but IF it is real then this is really Nintendo’s way of getting back at everyone that complains that their systems aren’t for “hardcore” gamers.

  • “Like the Fusion DS, this one also feels pretty unrealistic but for several other reasons. Take for example the 3DS cartridge slot supposedly present. While the thing claims to have an eight-core IBM POWER CPU in it, real-time emulation of a completely different hardware platform is very resource intensive.”

    With an eight core CPU, that much RAM and such a strong GPU as listed there, its entirely possible. The 3DS can be emulated on PC’s nowadays that arent nearly as powerful as these rumored specs of the Fusion Terminal.

    I think the rumor itself, is false by the way.

    • Crazy

      I just read: The 3DS can be emulated…what? No, man, just no- you clearly don`t know what you are talking about, Computerhulp Heerlen- there isn`t even a single working 3DS-emulator yet. Do you know why? Man, there isn`t even a single PS3 or Xbox 360-emulator! Even Wii-emulator “dolphin” cannot emulate many Wii-games 10% exactly today. And yes, 3DS is a powerful machine, even it is small. You would need a 729x 100 = 729000 = 729 Ghz Machine to only emulate 10% of the Wii-console! Yes, you may be able to play a few of those wii-games with stuttering, and bugs and big problems…buy hey? You cannot say this is emulating and this would be fun, lol. This is just bullshit, the games on dolphin are running with 10-20 frames/s, in most games even slower (Smash Bros for example). There is no pc in the world who can emulate a Wii 100% correctly. Even SNES-games takes 5 Ghz and dotzens of cpu-cores to really emulate them completely without bugs or stuttering or problems! Or to make it more clear- you cannot complete your games with a simple dolpin-emulator…!
      It takes 1000x stronger systems to emulate systems which use vastly different architecture. So, 3DS has say a dualcore 266 Mhz. You mean thats slow? Well, for a smartphone it would be. But not for the 3DS. It would take around 26600 Mhz of x86-processors to emulate only 10% of it! Sure, you can split that 26,6 Ghz (!) on 6 cores, so lets say each core has 4 Ghz. Then multiplied by 8 you have 32 Ghz. But the problem is- this would be only 10% accurate emulation.
      The Nintendo Fusion- should it be true with the specs- Terminal however wouldn`t need 1000x stronger power. It only only would need 50x more power as it uses same or well at least kind of same architecture (PowerPC and even Power8 is a RISC-cpu). My guess is, it will use the 3-core WiiU-Cpu to emulate 3DS-games.

  • Jamar Moore

    I can’t wait for this to be confirmed as fake.

  • nathan

    I say it will have specs a little better than the ps4 and what I am calling the hds handheld console/console controller with 1080p touch screen’s with ergonomic design and grips a right stick and L2R2 triggers and 20gb storage. hds games have to be transferred from the console to the built in storage on the hds so there’s no need for disc’s or cartridges. all console/hds games can be played either on the console or the hds except console games on the hds have to be played near the console as it streams it to the hds. I am guessing at a price of $600 for construction. $400 for the console and $200 for the hds at production cost and they will sell it at $500 to be competitive and taking a bath of $100 . I told a Japanese friend of mine that works at Capcom about my console/hds idea and he liked it allot. so much in fact he said he would pass the idea on to a friend of his that works at Nintendo. so if the next console turns out like this remember you herd it here first.

  • Ace

    For the record, I think the Fusion rumours are fake, but the vast majority of points in this article are misinformed.

  • JezzupWuzzup

    Listen, this is obviously bull. This information is not from a reliable source. Nintendo hasn’t even said anything. But somehow so many people got bought into this stupid lie. This is literally pulling shit from thin air and calling it fact. Look at the bigger picture. All you trolls just want Nintendo to end up like SEGA. But Nintendo learned from them. I don’t know why so many people want this to be true. The Wii U is a great system. Sure, its not as powerful as PS4 or Xbox One. It flopped with its 3rd party support and Nintendo were horrible marketers. But making a whole new console is suicide. You don’t need 4GB of Memory or mountains of Storage to play Mario games.The Wii U will be fine for another 6+ years. It’s not much worse than PS4 or Xbox One. Hell it has more 1080p 60fps games revealed than Xbox One/ PS4 since they were launched. Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros. Wii U, Bayonetta 2, and some others. The Wii U is fine. The PS4 and Xbox One are way more powerful then they need to be. If you really use up the 32GB of space. And you like them that much. Just get an external hard drive. Big deal.

  • Coopp

    I don’t think you should have used an iPhone as a price benchmark.

  • An Tran

    First off, I’ll say I agree this list is bogus. However for the Fusion DS, I believe the listed CPU, GPU and RAM may be POSSIBLE, or at least another SoC of that level (considering the leaker listed the wrong company). These consoles will most likely arrive in 2017 or 2018 (Nintendo’s start of the 9th generation era) ; 3 or 4 years from now. Those kinds of SoC specs are currently being rolled out during the second half of this year, which is now. By the time the FDS comes out, those kinds of specs will be outdated, but viable for Nintendo to use price-wise. Those wireless options may very well make it, too, especially considering the New 3DS has NFC.